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		<title>By: Vic Rosenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks. I am not aware of any “forced” concessions. Please enumerate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Removal of checkpoints and roadblocks from the West Bank. Supply of weapons to the Fatah PA faction. The entire Annapolis &#039;process&#039;, in which Israel is expected to hand over the West Bank to Fatah, a terrorist entity itself, but which will be even worse when it ends up in the hands of Hamas.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Palestinian land&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is not &quot;Palestinian land&quot;. It is part of mandatory Palestine which was illegally occupied in 1948 by Jordan. True, if the Arabs had ever wanted anything less than all of the land from the river to the sea, then some of it could have become a Palestinian state. And some, like Gush Etzion, could have remained in Jewish hands. But it&#039;s irrelevant, since the Palestinians will not be satisfied by anything less than the whole enchilada.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is Likud so insistent on colonizing the remainder of ancient Canaan?
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The Likud hasn&#039;t been in power for some time. The present government, led by Kadima, unilaterally transferred territory to the Palestinians. And look what they got in return: terrorism and rocket attacks.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is worldwide hatred of [Israel and America] truly springing from hell or is there a more secular source.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One source is radical Islamism, which won&#039;t tolerate a non-Muslim presence in the Mideast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thanks. I am not aware of any “forced” concessions. Please enumerate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Removal of checkpoints and roadblocks from the West Bank. Supply of weapons to the Fatah PA faction. The entire Annapolis &#8216;process&#8217;, in which Israel is expected to hand over the West Bank to Fatah, a terrorist entity itself, but which will be even worse when it ends up in the hands of Hamas.</p>
<blockquote><p>Palestinian land</p></blockquote>
<p>It is not &#8220;Palestinian land&#8221;. It is part of mandatory Palestine which was illegally occupied in 1948 by Jordan. True, if the Arabs had ever wanted anything less than all of the land from the river to the sea, then some of it could have become a Palestinian state. And some, like Gush Etzion, could have remained in Jewish hands. But it&#8217;s irrelevant, since the Palestinians will not be satisfied by anything less than the whole enchilada.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why is Likud so insistent on colonizing the remainder of ancient Canaan?
</p></blockquote>
<p>The Likud hasn&#8217;t been in power for some time. The present government, led by Kadima, unilaterally transferred territory to the Palestinians. And look what they got in return: terrorism and rocket attacks.</p>
<blockquote><p>Is worldwide hatred of [Israel and America] truly springing from hell or is there a more secular source.</p></blockquote>
<p>One source is radical Islamism, which won&#8217;t tolerate a non-Muslim presence in the Mideast.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Terpstra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Terpstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vic,

Thanks. I am not aware of any &quot;forced&quot; concessions. Please enumerate. 

Are you referring to UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338, violated by Israel for more than 40 years now? Has the US asked Israel lately---even timidly---to even decelerate construction of illegal settlements? Has it asked it to remove the apartheid wall from Palestinian land?  Has it asked Israel to permit humanitarian aid to flow into Gaza, not for the terrorists but for the women and little children.

Those are not even real &quot;concessions,&quot; but they would be concrete steps toward justice and regional peace, and from the latest polls I&#039;ve seen, supported by most Israelis. Why is Likud so insistent on colonizing the remainder of ancient Canaan?  There&#039;s no real mystery here.

How is selling JDAM&#039;s to the Saudis a threat to Israel, not to Iran, Israel&#039;s latest-greatest nemesis? Has Saudi Arabia threatened Israel recently, or does Israel have a legitimate fear of them?  Is there a tiny prickle of conscience, perhaps? 

Refer to the Torah and read Jeremiah again for the first time. I think the vaunted lobby (AIPAC, JDL, ZOA and CUFI*) is in danger of becoming a victim of its own success. It is not serving Israel well, nor America.

Is worldwide hatred of both countries truly springing from hell or is there a more secular source.

Please think about it. Really.

Regards,

Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vic,</p>
<p>Thanks. I am not aware of any &#8220;forced&#8221; concessions. Please enumerate. </p>
<p>Are you referring to UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338, violated by Israel for more than 40 years now? Has the US asked Israel lately&#8212;even timidly&#8212;to even decelerate construction of illegal settlements? Has it asked it to remove the apartheid wall from Palestinian land?  Has it asked Israel to permit humanitarian aid to flow into Gaza, not for the terrorists but for the women and little children.</p>
<p>Those are not even real &#8220;concessions,&#8221; but they would be concrete steps toward justice and regional peace, and from the latest polls I&#8217;ve seen, supported by most Israelis. Why is Likud so insistent on colonizing the remainder of ancient Canaan?  There&#8217;s no real mystery here.</p>
<p>How is selling JDAM&#8217;s to the Saudis a threat to Israel, not to Iran, Israel&#8217;s latest-greatest nemesis? Has Saudi Arabia threatened Israel recently, or does Israel have a legitimate fear of them?  Is there a tiny prickle of conscience, perhaps? </p>
<p>Refer to the Torah and read Jeremiah again for the first time. I think the vaunted lobby (AIPAC, JDL, ZOA and CUFI*) is in danger of becoming a victim of its own success. It is not serving Israel well, nor America.</p>
<p>Is worldwide hatred of both countries truly springing from hell or is there a more secular source.</p>
<p>Please think about it. Really.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Doug</p>
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		<title>By: Vic Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://fresnozionism.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-zbig-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-5710</link>
		<dc:creator>Vic Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If AIPAC has a &#039;hegemony&#039;, why is the US forcing Israel to make concrete concessions to the terrorists of Fatah in return for worthless promises? Why did the US sell JDAMs to Saudi Arabia? Some hegemony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If AIPAC has a &#8216;hegemony&#8217;, why is the US forcing Israel to make concrete concessions to the terrorists of Fatah in return for worthless promises? Why did the US sell JDAMs to Saudi Arabia? Some hegemony.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Terpstra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Terpstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your article. It confirms to me that if anyone can help blunt AIPAC&#039;s hegemony in Congress and persuade Israel to change its self-destructive path, Obama may be the only viable candidate.

If Dershowitz is critical of Obama, then he&#039;s my man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your article. It confirms to me that if anyone can help blunt AIPAC&#8217;s hegemony in Congress and persuade Israel to change its self-destructive path, Obama may be the only viable candidate.</p>
<p>If Dershowitz is critical of Obama, then he&#8217;s my man.</p>
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		<title>By: Shalom Freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalom Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Vic Rosenthal has seen into the heart of an issue, and let us know about before anyone else has publicly written about it.
The Brzesinski factor is key. If he is the main man for Obama this is very troublesome news for Israel.
Something deep in him does not like Israel. And his making a noise here and there about Israel&#039;s security is just &#039;cover&#039;. He is the intellectual father of Walt- Mearsheimer. And he is a Carter Democrat. 
I agree that it is important to try to give Obama a stronger sense of what the true situation is in regard to Israel and its intransigent enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Vic Rosenthal has seen into the heart of an issue, and let us know about before anyone else has publicly written about it.<br />
The Brzesinski factor is key. If he is the main man for Obama this is very troublesome news for Israel.<br />
Something deep in him does not like Israel. And his making a noise here and there about Israel&#8217;s security is just &#8216;cover&#8217;. He is the intellectual father of Walt- Mearsheimer. And he is a Carter Democrat.<br />
I agree that it is important to try to give Obama a stronger sense of what the true situation is in regard to Israel and its intransigent enemies.</p>
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