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		<title>Comment on British MP still angry about 1948 by Olgordo</title>
		<link>http://fresnozionism.org/2013/06/british-mp-still-angry-about-1948/comment-page-1/#comment-9189</link>
		<dc:creator>Olgordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately it&#039;s true that there are a number of Jews here, members of the weak-knees brigade, for whom Israel&#039;s success and survival are an embarrassment, some of whom seek to ingratiate themselves with their gentile friends and colleagues by condemning the defensive actions that Israel takes against its enemies.

The accusation of &#039;dual loyalty&#039; is made regularly against any Jew here who dares to speak up on behalf of his brothers and sisters in the land of Israel, but one never hears of such an accusation being made against the many Muslim UK citizens who blatantly demonstrate their hatred of this country and intention to damage it.  Good ol&#039; Brit double standards!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s true that there are a number of Jews here, members of the weak-knees brigade, for whom Israel&#8217;s success and survival are an embarrassment, some of whom seek to ingratiate themselves with their gentile friends and colleagues by condemning the defensive actions that Israel takes against its enemies.</p>
<p>The accusation of &#8216;dual loyalty&#8217; is made regularly against any Jew here who dares to speak up on behalf of his brothers and sisters in the land of Israel, but one never hears of such an accusation being made against the many Muslim UK citizens who blatantly demonstrate their hatred of this country and intention to damage it.  Good ol&#8217; Brit double standards!</p>
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		<title>Comment on British MP still angry about 1948 by Robman</title>
		<link>http://fresnozionism.org/2013/06/british-mp-still-angry-about-1948/comment-page-1/#comment-9188</link>
		<dc:creator>Robman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, this ass probably does have some friends in the Jewish community, who also don&#039;t think we should have a state.  

I&#039;ll bet he gets along just famously with Ilan Pappe, who, last I heard, was chased out of Israel and lives in the UK today.  They&#039;re probably bowling buddies.  Maybe more...

In any event, my only regret about this incident is that the soldier in question didn&#039;t give him a nice sharp buttstroke with her rifle.  I suppose she&#039;d have got in all sorts of trouble, but that still would have been GREAT.  

Bet that would be the last time he&#039;d mouth off like that in Israel!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this ass probably does have some friends in the Jewish community, who also don&#8217;t think we should have a state.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet he gets along just famously with Ilan Pappe, who, last I heard, was chased out of Israel and lives in the UK today.  They&#8217;re probably bowling buddies.  Maybe more&#8230;</p>
<p>In any event, my only regret about this incident is that the soldier in question didn&#8217;t give him a nice sharp buttstroke with her rifle.  I suppose she&#8217;d have got in all sorts of trouble, but that still would have been GREAT.  </p>
<p>Bet that would be the last time he&#8217;d mouth off like that in Israel!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prisoners have great ideological and religious importance by Vic Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://fresnozionism.org/2013/06/prisoners-have-great-ideological-and-religious-importance/comment-page-1/#comment-9187</link>
		<dc:creator>Vic Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I presume you refer to this:

&quot;And both see themselves as fighting to reestablish Arab (as well as tribal and family) honor by recovering the possessions ‘stolen’ from them in the nakba of the founding of the Jewish state.&quot;

I hope you don&#039;t imagine that this is &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; position! I am of course elucidating the Arab position here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume you refer to this:</p>
<p>&#8220;And both see themselves as fighting to reestablish Arab (as well as tribal and family) honor by recovering the possessions ‘stolen’ from them in the nakba of the founding of the Jewish state.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t imagine that this is <em>my</em> position! I am of course elucidating the Arab position here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prisoners have great ideological and religious importance by Kagey1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kagey1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One small request.  When you refer to what happened in 1948 please call it the rebirth of the Jewish State, the birth of the third Jewish State or the modern incarnation of the Jewish State or something similar.  Doing so lends additional legitimacy to Israel and implicitly rejects the Arab position that Israel is an imposed Jewish colonialist venture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One small request.  When you refer to what happened in 1948 please call it the rebirth of the Jewish State, the birth of the third Jewish State or the modern incarnation of the Jewish State or something similar.  Doing so lends additional legitimacy to Israel and implicitly rejects the Arab position that Israel is an imposed Jewish colonialist venture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prisoners have great ideological and religious importance by Shalom Freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalom Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abbas apparently believes the status quo is preferable to entering a negotiation. One reason is probably that the resistance to his own rule will increase with any entry to negotiation. Also  there will most likely be increased violence. Added to this is his knowledge that he will not get the end- result he wants. 
I would point out however , and this is important, that however much he does not want real Peace with Israel he is not forwarding his aims by encouraging Terror against Israelis. 
Perhaps this is the best we can expect from any Palestinian leader now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abbas apparently believes the status quo is preferable to entering a negotiation. One reason is probably that the resistance to his own rule will increase with any entry to negotiation. Also  there will most likely be increased violence. Added to this is his knowledge that he will not get the end- result he wants.<br />
I would point out however , and this is important, that however much he does not want real Peace with Israel he is not forwarding his aims by encouraging Terror against Israelis.<br />
Perhaps this is the best we can expect from any Palestinian leader now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Things to come by Robman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sure hope Obama&#039;s flunkys are spying on your blog, Vic.  

Maybe they&#039;ll learn something.

You describe an interesting and plausible scenario.  

The big wild card here that you leave out - I suppose deliberately - is the U.S.  How matters unfold here between now and circa 2018 can either make this potential scenario you describe above either a lot more manageable, or a lot worse.

One possible outcome is that the forces that brought and maintained Obama in power - i.e., the Arab petrodollar lobby, the far left academia set that have a near total lock on the range of debate on relevant issues among the &quot;educated&quot; class, the outrageously corrupt national media - remain in place largely undiminished in influence no matter how badly Obama&#039;s second term turns out.

In this case, even if the GOP runs a candidate who is George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abe Lincoln all rolled into one, it won&#039;t matter.  The national media and their supporting talking heads in academia will simply get everybody chanting the same mantra they were in &#039;12 and in &#039;08:  &quot;Why can&#039;t the Republicans ever nominate a decent candidate? Waaaahhh!&quot;  

If that isn&#039;t enough, the Arab petrodollar pimps will make sure Obama&#039;s anointed successor has at least as much or more $$$ than his or her GOP opponent, and if all of that isn&#039;t enough, then the vote itself will be rigged as needed in key swing states to steal the election...just like this last time.

In this case, the U.S. won&#039;t be that far behind Europe on the policy issues relevant to Israel (and much else besides), no matter what the bulk of the American people really think or feel.  And Israel will be beleaguered indeed.

On the other hand, if the current and, in all probability, future unfolding scandals of this administration spark a great enough public outrage that translates into effective grassroots action, maybe, just maybe, we might at least have something resembling a clean election in &#039;16.  I think that is all we&#039;d really need...I expect public frustration and disgust to be so great with Obama and what he represents by that time that the GOP really could win with Bozo the Clown.  

But we really don&#039;t have to worry about a prospective President Bozo, at least where Israel is concerned (we&#039;ve already got that...). If you look at the GOP field right now, virtually every potential candidate would be far more genuinely pro-Israel than Obama, and in a larger sense, determined to restore American standing/prestige on the world stage.  I don&#039;t see very many Islamist apologists among the GOP contenders; the bad guys have not turned the GOP nearly to the extent that they have the Democratic Party, at least not yet (watch out for Chris Christie, though...and the jury is still out on Rand Paul, though I think even he&#039;d be an objective improvement over Obama).

So, what it boils down to, in my view, is that we need a clean election in 2016.  Sounds simple and straightforward, but it is anything but.  I honestly don&#039;t know, one way or the other, if we&#039;re going to have this, or if we&#039;re stuck in &quot;United States of Venezuela&quot; mode indefinitely.  We&#039;re so screwed up now in this regard that the idea of a clean election next time around for president represents a very serious challenge.

IF we get that clean election, though, a resurgent U.S., allied with others such as Canada and Australia, could easily face down an economically decrepit, decadent Europe that falls under the sway of their Moslems.  However bad the Europeans may be, I really don&#039;t believe that even a heavily Moslem-influenced Europe would be suicidal on the order of mullah-ruled Iran.   Thus,  faced with a nuclear-armed Israel backed up by the U.S., and with further diplomatic support perhaps from the likes of Canada and Australia, even the Europe described in Vic&#039;s piece above would not be able to do much more than whine ineffectually over Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope Obama&#8217;s flunkys are spying on your blog, Vic.  </p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;ll learn something.</p>
<p>You describe an interesting and plausible scenario.  </p>
<p>The big wild card here that you leave out &#8211; I suppose deliberately &#8211; is the U.S.  How matters unfold here between now and circa 2018 can either make this potential scenario you describe above either a lot more manageable, or a lot worse.</p>
<p>One possible outcome is that the forces that brought and maintained Obama in power &#8211; i.e., the Arab petrodollar lobby, the far left academia set that have a near total lock on the range of debate on relevant issues among the &#8220;educated&#8221; class, the outrageously corrupt national media &#8211; remain in place largely undiminished in influence no matter how badly Obama&#8217;s second term turns out.</p>
<p>In this case, even if the GOP runs a candidate who is George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abe Lincoln all rolled into one, it won&#8217;t matter.  The national media and their supporting talking heads in academia will simply get everybody chanting the same mantra they were in &#8217;12 and in &#8217;08:  &#8220;Why can&#8217;t the Republicans ever nominate a decent candidate? Waaaahhh!&#8221;  </p>
<p>If that isn&#8217;t enough, the Arab petrodollar pimps will make sure Obama&#8217;s anointed successor has at least as much or more $$$ than his or her GOP opponent, and if all of that isn&#8217;t enough, then the vote itself will be rigged as needed in key swing states to steal the election&#8230;just like this last time.</p>
<p>In this case, the U.S. won&#8217;t be that far behind Europe on the policy issues relevant to Israel (and much else besides), no matter what the bulk of the American people really think or feel.  And Israel will be beleaguered indeed.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if the current and, in all probability, future unfolding scandals of this administration spark a great enough public outrage that translates into effective grassroots action, maybe, just maybe, we might at least have something resembling a clean election in &#8217;16.  I think that is all we&#8217;d really need&#8230;I expect public frustration and disgust to be so great with Obama and what he represents by that time that the GOP really could win with Bozo the Clown.  </p>
<p>But we really don&#8217;t have to worry about a prospective President Bozo, at least where Israel is concerned (we&#8217;ve already got that&#8230;). If you look at the GOP field right now, virtually every potential candidate would be far more genuinely pro-Israel than Obama, and in a larger sense, determined to restore American standing/prestige on the world stage.  I don&#8217;t see very many Islamist apologists among the GOP contenders; the bad guys have not turned the GOP nearly to the extent that they have the Democratic Party, at least not yet (watch out for Chris Christie, though&#8230;and the jury is still out on Rand Paul, though I think even he&#8217;d be an objective improvement over Obama).</p>
<p>So, what it boils down to, in my view, is that we need a clean election in 2016.  Sounds simple and straightforward, but it is anything but.  I honestly don&#8217;t know, one way or the other, if we&#8217;re going to have this, or if we&#8217;re stuck in &#8220;United States of Venezuela&#8221; mode indefinitely.  We&#8217;re so screwed up now in this regard that the idea of a clean election next time around for president represents a very serious challenge.</p>
<p>IF we get that clean election, though, a resurgent U.S., allied with others such as Canada and Australia, could easily face down an economically decrepit, decadent Europe that falls under the sway of their Moslems.  However bad the Europeans may be, I really don&#8217;t believe that even a heavily Moslem-influenced Europe would be suicidal on the order of mullah-ruled Iran.   Thus,  faced with a nuclear-armed Israel backed up by the U.S., and with further diplomatic support perhaps from the likes of Canada and Australia, even the Europe described in Vic&#8217;s piece above would not be able to do much more than whine ineffectually over Israel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The UK, then and now by Vic Rosenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps one of our UK readers will comment. I think it has to do with a) the fact that elements of British society are predisposed to dislike Jews, and b) people are afraid of Muslims in a way that they are not of Jews.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps one of our UK readers will comment. I think it has to do with a) the fact that elements of British society are predisposed to dislike Jews, and b) people are afraid of Muslims in a way that they are not of Jews.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The UK, then and now by Shalom Freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalom Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did not know about this anti- Jewish violence in England. 
The article does not explain the reasons for the varied strength of the reactions against the Jews in the forties and the Islamists today. 
Does it perhaps have to do with the character of the British media then and now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not know about this anti- Jewish violence in England.<br />
The article does not explain the reasons for the varied strength of the reactions against the Jews in the forties and the Islamists today.<br />
Does it perhaps have to do with the character of the British media then and now?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kerry wants to create facts on the ground by Vic Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://fresnozionism.org/2013/05/kerry-wants-to-create-facts-on-the-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-9181</link>
		<dc:creator>Vic Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 03:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course they understand! But for whatever reason, one of the highest priorities of US policy is to get the Jews out of what they think is Arab land. Maybe they think Muslims will suddenly stop trying to kill Americans if we show how much we care.
By the way, this makes the US an accomplice to racist ethnic cleansing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they understand! But for whatever reason, one of the highest priorities of US policy is to get the Jews out of what they think is Arab land. Maybe they think Muslims will suddenly stop trying to kill Americans if we show how much we care.<br />
By the way, this makes the US an accomplice to racist ethnic cleansing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kerry wants to create facts on the ground by Shalom Freedman</title>
		<link>http://fresnozionism.org/2013/05/kerry-wants-to-create-facts-on-the-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-9180</link>
		<dc:creator>Shalom Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 01:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Administration seems to me totally confused and wrongheaded in its Middle East priorities. Doesn&#039;t it understand that there is no real chance now of any peace deal between Israel and the Fatah-Hamas Palestinians?
It is almost as if the Administration totally frustrated by what is happening in Syria and Egypt is compensating for its do-nothingness by playing the &#039;Israel- Palestinians negotiation game. 
As Assad Hizbollah Iran are on a &#039;surge&#039; of a kind the U.S. seems witless as to what to do. 
PS I see more and more pro- Israel voices saying Al Quaeda is a lesser evil than the Assad regime. I do not know if that will be true, but Assad and Co. and especially with Iran at the heart of this certainly seem now the far greater threat to Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Administration seems to me totally confused and wrongheaded in its Middle East priorities. Doesn&#8217;t it understand that there is no real chance now of any peace deal between Israel and the Fatah-Hamas Palestinians?<br />
It is almost as if the Administration totally frustrated by what is happening in Syria and Egypt is compensating for its do-nothingness by playing the &#8216;Israel- Palestinians negotiation game.<br />
As Assad Hizbollah Iran are on a &#8216;surge&#8217; of a kind the U.S. seems witless as to what to do.<br />
PS I see more and more pro- Israel voices saying Al Quaeda is a lesser evil than the Assad regime. I do not know if that will be true, but Assad and Co. and especially with Iran at the heart of this certainly seem now the far greater threat to Israel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kerry wants to create facts on the ground by Robman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is pretty annoying, but I&quot;m not that worked up about it.

I mean, as Gomer Pyle would say, &quot;Surprise, surprise, surprise!&quot;  

What did we expect from Obama &amp; Co.?

I&#039;m not overly alarmed over this because this plan depends on private sector investment.  This in turn puts specific investment decisions in the hands of business leaders.

Business leaders, one would think, are more concerned about business-relevant issues as opposed to politics.  They want to know that their investments are in stable enterprises, sited in secure environments, that stand a good chance of turning a profit.

What business leaders really want to place bets on behalf of their owners and stockhoders in areas controlled by the PA?  A civil war could break out between Fatah and Hamas at any time.  A new Intifada could break out between the PA and the IDF at any time - and some way this is already happening in &#039;slow motion&#039; as I write this.  

Even absent such conflict as I describe above, there is the basic corrupt nature of the PA.  Who really wants to have to deal with them?

Maybe Obama will try to make this happen by offering U.S. guarantees to investors, but that involves taxpayer money that Congress will have say over.  If Obama goes that route, he&#039;ll be picking yet another fight with Congress over Israel.  

January 2017 can&#039;t arrive soon enough, but these lame-brained schemes hatched by morons such as Kerry are sure to fail in the meantime.  This reveals a major advantage held by Israel vis-a-vis the U.S. in this ongoing tug-of-war between putative &quot;allies&quot;:  Obama and Co. are a bunch of morons and hacks; I&#039;m sure Netanyahu or Bogie Ya&#039;alon have more brains in their respective toenail clippings that the entire foreign policy staff of the Obama administration combined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty annoying, but I&#8221;m not that worked up about it.</p>
<p>I mean, as Gomer Pyle would say, &#8220;Surprise, surprise, surprise!&#8221;  </p>
<p>What did we expect from Obama &amp; Co.?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not overly alarmed over this because this plan depends on private sector investment.  This in turn puts specific investment decisions in the hands of business leaders.</p>
<p>Business leaders, one would think, are more concerned about business-relevant issues as opposed to politics.  They want to know that their investments are in stable enterprises, sited in secure environments, that stand a good chance of turning a profit.</p>
<p>What business leaders really want to place bets on behalf of their owners and stockhoders in areas controlled by the PA?  A civil war could break out between Fatah and Hamas at any time.  A new Intifada could break out between the PA and the IDF at any time &#8211; and some way this is already happening in &#8216;slow motion&#8217; as I write this.  </p>
<p>Even absent such conflict as I describe above, there is the basic corrupt nature of the PA.  Who really wants to have to deal with them?</p>
<p>Maybe Obama will try to make this happen by offering U.S. guarantees to investors, but that involves taxpayer money that Congress will have say over.  If Obama goes that route, he&#8217;ll be picking yet another fight with Congress over Israel.  </p>
<p>January 2017 can&#8217;t arrive soon enough, but these lame-brained schemes hatched by morons such as Kerry are sure to fail in the meantime.  This reveals a major advantage held by Israel vis-a-vis the U.S. in this ongoing tug-of-war between putative &#8220;allies&#8221;:  Obama and Co. are a bunch of morons and hacks; I&#8217;m sure Netanyahu or Bogie Ya&#8217;alon have more brains in their respective toenail clippings that the entire foreign policy staff of the Obama administration combined.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The S-300 follies by Robman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As WW3 is about to start...it is at least good to get in a good laugh.

Thanks, Vic.  Much needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As WW3 is about to start&#8230;it is at least good to get in a good laugh.</p>
<p>Thanks, Vic.  Much needed.</p>
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